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Старый 02.07.2013, 04:14
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Вопрос Some Ideas for Discussion

Dear Members,

Having fulfilled my ambition to reach 500,000 reputation points by 1st July (I just made it, with no time to spare), I feel qualified to offer some suggestions as to how Gay-Pirates might be improved.

GP is already the best site of its kind available anywhere on the Internet, which is why I contribute EXCLUSIVELY to this forum. But even the best can sometimes be made better. Here are my thoughts:

(1) Ban links on Files-Monster.
Unless you are a paid-up subscriber, FM is as slow as slow as George W. Bush on Oxazepam. I never use it, and I think it is a complete rip-off. The only people who post links to FM are either newbies, who don't know any better, or guys trying to make a few euro-cents commission by posting the same links in hundreds of different forums. We would be better off without it.
(2) What about a standard/uniform hosting service ?
I subscribe to 4 different hosting services, but I am regularly wanting to download something from one of the many other services which are used by members of GP. And the cost of a free download is generally a very long wait, first to complete the download, and then for the opportunity to download again from the same site.

If we were to decide on a single "standard" or "uniform" hosting service, then those members who wish to do so could become subscribers, without affecting the ability of non-subscribers to download for free.

Maybe the Administrators of GP could even negotiate a discounted subscription fee, on the basis of all the business which we would be sending to the chosen service.

Of course, this would not prevent posters from offering alternative download links, if they wish to do so.

(3) Increase the maximum width for images from 500 pixels to 1,000 pixels.
As is well-known, I believe that the key to a good posting is the inclusion of large, high-quality images, so that members can see exactly what they are being offered to download. But the current 500 pixels maximum width is just not enough to do that. In particular, a "thumbnail sheet" which is only 500 pixels wide offers preview images the size of postage stamps.

For a long time, I have been circumventing this problem by posting two images, side-by-side, each 500 pixels wide, to make up an image of 1000 pixels width. After a few initial complaints, nobody seems to have any problem with this.

Whatever may have been the situation when GP was first established, most modern monitors are easily capable of displaying an image which is 1000 pixels wide, without having to scroll left and right.

What about it, administrators ?
(4) Revise the duplicate postings rule.
After the megauploads fiasco - followed by the closure of FileServe and FileShare - the duplicate postings rule was relaxed, so that the first member to post a link to a particular file is given "exclusivity" for just 48 hours, and then has to notice any duplicate posing and complain within that 48-hour period to do anything about it.

I can well understand the reasons for relaxing the rule at that time, but things have moved on. Now, in the most popular threads, you will often see four, five or six postings of precisely the same material, all uploaded within the space of a few days.

In my view, the duplicate postings rule should be restored, to prohibit posting exactly the same file on exactly the same hosting service. This should not prevent another poster from either:
(a) offering the same file via a different hosting service; or

(b) offering a different version of the same file, such as a larger/higher-quality or a smaller/lower-quality version of a video, whether on the same host or a different one.
(5) Reintroduce the option of nominating favourite threads.
It used to be possible to nominate favourite threads, and receive an alert whenever they were updated. This option was removed, because it made it too easy for copyright owners to detect possible infringements of copyright.

But it was a very handy facility, and I would like to see it come back. To prevent abuse by copyright owners, it might perhaps be restricted to members who have attained the rank of "Trusted" or higher.
(6) Consider a wider range of categories for sub-forums.
The most popular sub-forums, such as "Original Websites Collection's / Оригинальные коллекции по сайтам и студиям" in the professional videos forum, have grown to a ridiculously large size. That particular forum, for instance, now runs to some 22 pages.

With some ingenuity, it seems to me that it would be possible to break such a sub-forum down into smaller categories: for example, twinks/hunks, or cut/uncut, or solo/action. There could also be separate categories for CFNM threads, threads with black/asian/latino/arabic models, bondage/discipline or sado-masochistic threads, casting/audition threads, bisexual threads, etc.

There would be no need for moderators to police these categories too strictly. If, for instance, a poster considers a particular model to be a "twink", I don't think it should be necessary for moderators to pass judgment on whether or not other members might regard the same model as a "hunk". Or if there was a category for asian models, it seems to me that the poster should be entitled to decide whether a model with mixed ethnicity should be posted in the asian category, or in a different category.

The advantage would be that a member could find what he is looking for, quickly and easily, without having to trawl through dozens of threads which are of no interest to him.
(7) Introduce some new categories of membership.
In my experience, there are plenty of members who make a significant contribution to this site, but who may not (yet) qualify for promotion as VIPs. There are also active registered users who may not (yet) be eligible for promotion as Trusted. And, even amongst VIPs, there are many who pull their weight, but some who do not.

Having a wider range of categories of membership - with different privileges for the different categories - gives members an incentive to contribute, and a reward for doing so. It is therefore in everyone's interests.

(8) Restrict initial access to passwords.
Some members who post regularly - I am one of them - use the passwords feature to gather material for posting on GP, so everyone benefits. The great majority, however, use passwords solely for their own benefit.

Just as an example, I established the "Island Studs" thread, and I think that I have contributed more to it than any other member. But when a password for that site became available, I was too late to take advantage of it. That was my fault, of course, and I only have myself to blame. But what I notice is that, amongst the members who were quick enough to utilise the password, not a single one of them posted a solitary contribution to the Island Studs thread.

I could name at least half a dozen instances where the same thing has occurred.

I would like to see a system whereby access to passwords is limited - say, for the first week - to members who are going to use the password to contibute to GP. After the first week, the password could then be opened up to all members.
---ooo000000---

Obviously, these suggestions are no more than that - just suggestions. But I would be interested (and I am sure that the Administrators and Moderators will also be interested) to hear members' views about these suggestions, and any others which might be offered
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Старый 02.07.2013, 05:52
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My thoughts on your post:

1. Filesmonster might be slow or hard to download videos from, but I also believe that as long as the service offers free download links it should be kept. The only negative thing about this file host service is that is mostly used by auto posters and sometimes they post links bigger than 1 GB which are only available for premium members.
I believe that banning thsi host or not would not make that much of an impact since most of the FM links are in the megathreads section, which isn't the most viewed/visited by regular members.

2. This could be a double edge decision. Maybe GP could team up with a file hosting service making a mirror to that host a must and the forum could get a small percentage of each premium account sold via any link posted on here (we know that they need funds to keep the forum running).
Why is it a double edge decision? Because some regular posters might decide to leave the forum if they don't like that file host service.

3. This would be nice, though right now you can easily expand images by clicking the upper bar of an image (like the thumbnails of my posts).

4. I liked the older version of the duplication rule that basically is what you exposed on this point.

5. I never used that option but it would be easier to find the threads you visit/like the most.

6. I don't agree with you on this. IMHO this would kind of confuse new members because right now it is very easy to find a studio (using the specific search function in that section) and this would make new users be wondering about where an specific thread might be.

7. I agree here. Also there are a lot of VIP members that again, IMHO, don't deserve that rank.

8. I don't agree with you on this too because this is one of the features that encourages new members to join the site. Also, not all people have ways or a fast internet connection to upload and share videos with everyone.
And also there are passwords available exclusively for users with a higher reputation, so for me this one is a no.

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Старый 02.07.2013, 08:37
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Dear Members,

Having fulfilled my ambition to reach 500,000 reputation points by 1st July (I just made it, with no time to spare), I feel qualified to offer some suggestions as to how Gay-Pirates might be improved.

Congratulations on reaching such an incredible milestone

GP is already the best site of its kind available anywhere on the Internet, which is why I contribute EXCLUSIVELY to this forum. But even the best can sometimes be made better. Here are my thoughts:

(1) Ban links on Files-Monster.

Unless you are a paid-up subscriber, FM is as slow as slow as George W. Bush on Oxazepam. I never use it, and I think it is a complete rip-off. The only people who post links to FM are either newbies, who don't know any better, or guys trying to make a few euro-cents commission by posting the same links in hundreds of different forums. We would be better off without it.

For me FM's 'free' downloads are easier to use than RancidGator. RG limits free users to only 3 downloads/24 hours which is ludicrous. FM has no such restriction. RG requires 120 minutes between each attempted download whether successful or aborted. FM does not. I would rather have FM than RG but that's just my opinion

(2) What about a standard/uniform hosting service ?
I subscribe to 4 different hosting services, but I am regularly wanting to download something from one of the many other services which are used by members of GP. And the cost of a free download is generally a very long wait, first to complete the download, and then for the opportunity to download again from the same site.

We tried this policy on our own forum for a while but it was not received well by Uploaders or Downloaders. Eventually we dropped the requirement. This was back when RapidShare was the dominant filehost. Even then members wanted choices. I work on other Mainstream forums that required RS links and they dropped that requirement after RS became a tool of the establishment, lol.

If we were to decide on a single "standard" or "uniform" hosting service, then those members who wish to do so could become subscribers, without affecting the ability of non-subscribers to download for free.

Maybe the Administrators of GP could even negotiate a discounted subscription fee, on the basis of all the business which we would be sending to the chosen service.

This might contradict GP's official and legal claim that it does not participate in the storage of or actual sharing of files that may contain copyrighted material. If GP is profiting directly from an arrangement with any filehost it would be exposed legally as an active participant who profits.

Of course, this would not prevent posters from offering alternative download links, if they wish to do so.

(3) Increase the maximum width for images from 500 pixels to 1,000 pixels.
As is well-known, I believe that the key to a good posting is the inclusion of large, high-quality images, so that members can see exactly what they are being offered to download. But the current 500 pixels maximum width is just not enough to do that. In particular, a "thumbnail sheet" which is only 500 pixels wide offers preview images the size of postage stamps.

Pages load very slowly when image sizes are too large. Many forums limit the number of images per post to 5 for this very reason. Of course the larger images are better but with as many pages as I scroll through in a day if it took longer for each page to load it would limit my ability to keep up with all the new posts.

For a long time, I have been circumventing this problem by posting two images, side-by-side, each 500 pixels wide, to make up an image of 1000 pixels width. After a few initial complaints, nobody seems to have any problem with this.

No one complains about the pages loading slowly in your threads because they are things of beauty; works of art; original and creative; of the highest standard But if ALL uploaders were to post images 1000px wide it would make surfing pages much more time consuming. I cruise your threads just for the pleasure of seeing your talent. Downloading the files is a byproduct of that pleasure, lol.

Whatever may have been the situation when GP was first established, most modern monitors are easily capable of displaying an image which is 1000 pixels wide, without having to scroll left and right.

What about it, administrators ?
(4) Revise the duplicate postings rule.
After the megauploads fiasco - followed by the closure of FileServe and FileShare - the duplicate postings rule was relaxed, so that the first member to post a link to a particular file is given "exclusivity" for just 48 hours, and then has to notice any duplicate posing and complain within that 48-hour period to do anything about it.

I can well understand the reasons for relaxing the rule at that time, but things have moved on. Now, in the most popular threads, you will often see four, five or six postings of precisely the same material, all uploaded within the space of a few days.

In my view, the duplicate postings rule should be restored, to prohibit posting exactly the same file on exactly the same hosting service. This should not prevent another poster from either:
(a) offering the same file via a different hosting service; or

(b) offering a different version of the same file, such as a larger/higher-quality or a smaller/lower-quality version of a video, whether on the same host or a different one.

The main reason for the 'duplication' rule is to afford the first poster of any video an opportunity to profit a little more for their efforts. I am not opposed to this. IMO most GP Uploaders post their links on GP out of generosity rather than profit potential. There are much larger forums where they post their links and enjoy much greater numbers of downloads and premium membership sales. I think posting on GP provides the incentive of peer recognition and status in the Gay Porn Pirate Uploader/Downloader community. Just my opinion again, lol.

(5) Reintroduce the option of nominating favourite threads.
It used to be possible to nominate favourite threads, and receive an alert whenever they were updated. This option was removed, because it made it too easy for copyright owners to detect possible infringements of copyright.

But it was a very handy facility, and I would like to see it come back. To prevent abuse by copyright owners, it might perhaps be restricted to members who have attained the rank of "Trusted" or higher.

This is a good idea but it would expose GP to unwanted scrutiny.

(6) Consider a wider range of categories for sub-forums.
The most popular sub-forums, such as "Original Websites Collection's / Оригинальные коллекции по сайтам и студиям" in the professional videos forum, have grown to a ridiculously large size. That particular forum, for instance, now runs to some 22 pages.

With some ingenuity, it seems to me that it would be possible to break such a sub-forum down into smaller categories: for example, twinks/hunks, or cut/uncut, or solo/action. There could also be separate categories for CFNM threads, threads with black/asian/latino/arabic models, bondage/discipline or sado-masochistic threads, casting/audition threads, bisexual threads, etc.

There would be no need for moderators to police these categories too strictly. If, for instance, a poster considers a particular model to be a "twink", I don't think it should be necessary for moderators to pass judgment on whether or not other members might regard the same model as a "hunk". Or if there was a category for asian models, it seems to me that the poster should be entitled to decide whether a model with mixed ethnicity should be posted in the asian category, or in a different category.

The advantage would be that a member could find what he is looking for, quickly and easily, without having to trawl through dozens of threads which are of no interest to him.
Less is more when it comes to sub-boards. More sub-boards may result in the opposite of the desired effect. Again, I speak from our experience with our BelowTheBelt forum.

(7) Introduce some new categories of membership.
In my experience, there are plenty of members who make a significant contribution to this site, but who may not (yet) qualify for promotion as VIPs. There are also active registered users who may not (yet) be eligible for promotion as Trusted. And, even amongst VIPs, there are many who pull their weight, but some who do not.

Having a wider range of categories of membership - with different privileges for the different categories - gives members an incentive to contribute, and a reward for doing so. It is therefore in everyone's interests.

(8) Restrict initial access to passwords.
Some members who post regularly - I am one of them - use the passwords feature to gather material for posting on GP, so everyone benefits. The great majority, however, use passwords solely for their own benefit.

Just as an example, I established the "Island Studs" thread, and I think that I have contributed more to it than any other member. But when a password for that site became available, I was too late to take advantage of it. That was my fault, of course, and I only have myself to blame. But what I notice is that, amongst the members who were quick enough to utilise the password, not a single one of them posted a solitary contribution to the Island Studs thread.

I could name at least half a dozen instances where the same thing has occurred.

I would like to see a system whereby access to passwords is limited - say, for the first week - to members who are going to use the password to contibute to GP. After the first week, the password could then be opened up to all members.
---ooo000000---

This is an excellent suggestion Mortie. If it is possible to do this I think it would definitely benefit GP.

Obviously, these suggestions are no more than that - just suggestions. But I would be interested (and I am sure that the Administrators and Moderators will also be interested) to hear members' views about these suggestions, and any others which might be offered
.

I think you have GP's best interest at heart and that you are a keystone member here. I know you are focused on making things better for all of us, Mortie. So whether or not changes are made I think I speak for many of us who appreciate all you do.

Thanks,

G
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i think it's a bit too much of all, if I have learned one thing in the past here and from experiences from other forums that the success of this forum is because it gives the ppl a bit more freedom than on other places...

let them do the the filesmonstershit as long it stays in members megathreads

I am totally against "standard uniform" services
no one knows these days how long a filehost will remain or if he will change his policy. As long it provides a free download option it's fine.

just change rule number one

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You should use only one account.

this suggests that it's not forbidden to do it, but it should be not allowed in general, it causes spamming, trolling and stuff.

all day i do see pl here with 4 or more different nicknames
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Not about all, but what I read...
(1) I have always opposed the idea of banning becouse of a posts.
However, many moderators still p to remove and ban users, for example, for the absence of a host names, or Wrong category. Many users only downloads, even not talks in Communication-sec and if someone try to share - it is very good.
So, we of course can remove all messages with FileMonster-link, but users tried, loaded, made a preview.
I would be very uncomfortable if I shared with someone else (with the possibility of free downloading), but my work was removed.
If I really need something, I downloaded from the uncomfortable exchanger.
Of course, in fact they often say that there is some repetition and nothing interesting. But for one, it's fun, and for another - no. And repeats - that's another story.

(2)
1. What to do with a post without such links? Remove? As I said earlier, I do not like this.
2. I can choose free hosting, for example, files.mail.ru . How many members will agree to share without money at all?
3. You should not keep all your eggs in only a small number of baskets. "Basket" may be close.

(3)
We have some users with small resolutions:
www.liveinternet.ru (English)
www.liveinternet.ru (Русский)
I can agree only to increase the maximum width for images from 500 pixels to 600 pixels.

(4) Perhaps, this is a good idea, but...
WHO will do this?
Who will compare a larger/higher-quality or a smaller/lower-quality version of a video IN all posts of all users? This can be in one thread, two threads, but there are MANY threads with MANY users.
What to do, if users maked their posts in 1-3 minutes?
Who will be able to remember and keep track of time, the order in which the posts in various forum threads?
Not to mention that, the name can be different and previews can be different.
Download all to understand and compare? But this is a huge time and effort.

(5) I agree, that it was a very handy facility, but when posts of some sudious were removed after 5-15 minutes, I removed all code of subscribtion function.
It is not easy to restore. Especially, if not for all.

(6) Each subforum has its own classification.
In the classification of the studios did not fit the classification by age, color, and other features. This is exactly classification by studios. If broken down into sub-forums, only in alphabetical order. We can use such classification only in General-sub-forum, but I saw many "twinks", which are not twinks, but users post it, due to the popularity of a section. And what to do if a clip with asian, black, two twinks and latino?

(7) I totally agree. Unfortunately, when I say this to Anty, it requires suggestions from me. And my job does not allow me to consider new categories.

(8) Well, I`ll think about new option. Do not sure, that I can do it, but I`ll try.
But now you can do it manually. You can use HIDE=reputation tag and change
required reputation as you wish.

Best wishes,
....


Не обо всех, но то, что я читал ...
(1) Я всегда выступал против идеи запрета упрощена из сообщения.
Тем не менее, многие по-прежнему предпочитают модераторов удалить и запретить пользователям, например, за отсутствие имен хостов, или неправильный категории. Многие пользователи только скачивают, даже не говорят в Общении. ИМХО, если кто-то попытался поделиться чем-либо - это очень хорошо.
Таким образом, мы, конечно, может удалить все сообщения с FileMonster-ссылку, но пользователи старались, загружается, сделал предварительный просмотр.
Я был бы очень неудобно, если я поделился с кем-то (с возможностью бесплатного скачивания), но моя работа была удалена.
Если бы я действительно что-то нужно, я скачал с неудобной теплообменника.
Конечно, на самом деле я часто говорю, что есть некоторые повторения и ничего интересного. Но для того, что это весело, а для другого - нет. И повторяет - это уже другая история.

(2)
1. Что делать с такой пост без ссылки? Удалить? Как я уже говорил, я не люблю этого.
2. Я могу выбрать бесплатный хостинг, например, files.mail.ru. Сколько членов согласится поделиться без денег вообще?
3. Вы не должны держать все яйца в только небольшое количество корзин. «Корзина» может закрыться.

(3)
У нас есть несколько пользователей с небольшим разрешения:
www.liveinternet.ru (English)
www.liveinternet.ru (Русский)
Я могу согласиться только увеличить максимальную ширину для изображений с 500 пикселей на 600 пикселей.

(4) Может быть, это хорошая идея, но ...
ВОЗ будет это сделать?
Кто будет сравнивать большие / более высокого качества или меньшего / более низкого качества версии видео во всех сообщений всех пользователей? Это может быть в одном потоке, две темы, но есть многие темы, с большим количеством пользователей.
Что делать, если пользователи цветовым свои посты в течение 1-3 минут?
Кто сможет, чтобы помнить и следить за временем, порядок, в котором посты в различных темах форума?
Не упоминать, что, но название может отличаться превью могут быть разными.
Скачать все для понимания и сравнения? Но это огромное время и усилия.

(5) Я согласен, что это был очень удобный объект, но когда сообщения некоторых sudious удаляли через 5-15 минут, я удалил весь код функции подписки.
Это не просто восстановить. Особенно, если не для всех.

(6) Каждый подфорум имеет свою собственную классификацию.
В классификации студии не соответствовали классификации по возрасту, цвету, и другие возможности. Это именно то, классификация по студиям. Если разбить на суб-форумах, только в алфавитном порядке. Мы можем использовать такой классификации лишь в общем-суб-форуме, но я видел много "Геи", которая не Геи, но разместить его пользователей, в связи с популярностью разделе. И что делать, если клип с азиатскими, черный, два Геи и латино?

(7) я полностью согласен. К сожалению, когда я говорю это Anty, он требует от меня предложения. А моя работа не позволяет мне обдумать новые категории.

(8) Ну, я `думать о новой опции. Не уверен, что я могу сделать это, но я `постараюсь.
Но теперь вы можете сделать это вручную. Вы можете использовать тег HIDE = репутацию и изменяя
требуемую репутацию, как вы хотите.

С наилучшими пожеланиями,
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just change rule number one

this suggests that it's not forbidden to do it, but it should be not allowed in general, it causes spamming, trolling and stuff.

all day i do see pl here with 4 or more different nicknames

There are many members with some nicknames.
Very sorry delete users, because they do not know the reasons why the second registration. Some might view their positions from the side. Someone may have forgotten the password.
So personally, I tend to think of sanctions if it receives a complaint.
Plus, I unfortunately do not have time to track different nicks, although all the moderators have access to this information.

Есть много членов с несколькими никами.
Очень жалко удалять пользователей, потому что не известны причины второй регистрации. Кто-то, возможно, просматривает свои посты со стороны. Кто-то, возможно, забыл пароль.
Поэтому лично я склоняюсь к мысли о санкциях, если поступает жалоба.
Плюс, у меня, к сожалению, нет времени на отслеживание различных ников, хотя все модераторы имеют доступ к этой информации.
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My thoughts for this forum:

(1)
Make a sub for HD quality Video updates

So i and maybe more members of this forum dont need to look for videos that are over 500mb.
From the sites that i have acces to they offer different sizes of a video and some of these posters just choose to post the hd quality version, and i know there are people here who wants a hd quality but they can choose to be a member of that site and download the hd quality themselves or look at a new hd sub on Gay Pirates.

(2)
Ban rapid & duplication posters
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